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  • so much Lamar dislike and doubt in this forum. Is it because he is not on your team? Did you pick Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen instead?..Damn! make me understand.

    I drafted him as a backup, and cut him before week 1...how am I supposed to feel lol
    I can only imagine your pain.

  • Disaster.....
    Honestly I wouldnt touche a qb till at least rd 6, or stream.
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  • KookaburraKookaburra Posts: 1,461
    I got him in my keeper league at 8.09. he was my third QB behind Rodgers and Big Ben.
  • No way he’s in the 2nd round IMO. Running QBs normally have their best statistical season their first year as a starter.

    Correct me if I am wrong. But, I am pretty sure that no running QB has ever won a Super Bowl.

    Jackson can SAY he doesn't want to run. But that assertion doesn't pass the eye test for me.

    I still don't believe in him and probably won't unless he wins a Super Bowl... IN THE NFL!
    Does he really need to win a SB to win you fantasy leagues though?
    Probably
    10 Team Dynasty - All TDs = 6 / PassingYd = .04 / Rushing-ReceivingYd = .10 / No-PPR / No Bonus
    - - - - - - - - - - - Starting requirements = QB - RB - RB/WR - WR - WR/TE - TE - DST - K
    QB - Wilson, J. Allen, Stafford, Minshew / RB - Saquon, Zeke, Kamara, D.Cook, Samuels, Mattison, Pollard, J.Hill
    WR - Hopkins, M.Thomas, AJG, Godwin, M.Williams, AJBrown, Chark / TE - OJ.Howard, M.Andrews. Dissly, Hockenson, Gesicki, J.Smith
    DST - Ravens, Vikings / K - Lutz
    12 Team Dynasty - TDs = 4-6 / PassingYd 25=1 / Rushing-ReceivingYd 10=1 / PPR / Bonus 3 at 300-100
    - - - - - - - - - - - Starting requirements = QB - 2RB - 3WR - 1TE - 1FlexRWT - DST - K
    QB - Cousins, Trubisky, Darnold / RB - DJ, Ingram, K.Johnson, A.Jones, Crowell, JamaalWilliams, M.Davis, D.Harris, R.Armstead, A.Barnes
    WR - Hopkins, K.Allen, DK.Metcalf, Boykin, Westbrook, Humphries, DavidMoore, Cole, Sharpe, Baldwin / TE - Gronk, Walker, Gesicki, Hurst, V.McDonald, Dissley
    DST - Steelers / K - Lutz
  • No way he’s in the 2nd round IMO. Running QBs normally have their best statistical season their first year as a starter.

    Correct me if I am wrong. But, I am pretty sure that no running QB has ever won a Super Bowl.

    Jackson can SAY he doesn't want to run. But that assertion doesn't pass the eye test for me.

    I still don't believe in him and probably won't unless he wins a Super Bowl... IN THE NFL!
    Does he really need to win a SB to win you fantasy leagues though?
    Of course not. But, does show that defenses adjust.
    ABSOLUTELY
    10 Team Dynasty - All TDs = 6 / PassingYd = .04 / Rushing-ReceivingYd = .10 / No-PPR / No Bonus
    - - - - - - - - - - - Starting requirements = QB - RB - RB/WR - WR - WR/TE - TE - DST - K
    QB - Wilson, J. Allen, Stafford, Minshew / RB - Saquon, Zeke, Kamara, D.Cook, Samuels, Mattison, Pollard, J.Hill
    WR - Hopkins, M.Thomas, AJG, Godwin, M.Williams, AJBrown, Chark / TE - OJ.Howard, M.Andrews. Dissly, Hockenson, Gesicki, J.Smith
    DST - Ravens, Vikings / K - Lutz
    12 Team Dynasty - TDs = 4-6 / PassingYd 25=1 / Rushing-ReceivingYd 10=1 / PPR / Bonus 3 at 300-100
    - - - - - - - - - - - Starting requirements = QB - 2RB - 3WR - 1TE - 1FlexRWT - DST - K
    QB - Cousins, Trubisky, Darnold / RB - DJ, Ingram, K.Johnson, A.Jones, Crowell, JamaalWilliams, M.Davis, D.Harris, R.Armstead, A.Barnes
    WR - Hopkins, K.Allen, DK.Metcalf, Boykin, Westbrook, Humphries, DavidMoore, Cole, Sharpe, Baldwin / TE - Gronk, Walker, Gesicki, Hurst, V.McDonald, Dissley
    DST - Steelers / K - Lutz
  • WTCMWTCM Posts: 11,688
    Lamar is unquestionably the MVP this year. Does he warrant a top 12 ranking? Possibly for redraft next year. Not for dynasty rankings imo. As I have gone through the Michael Vick era and Malhomes too, repeating is damn hard to do. Being a top mid selection in the 2nd round isn't a knock on him, just owners playing is safe and letting him drop to them. You'll always have the one owner who picks a QB top 5. But as much credit as Lamar owners are giving him, they're also doubting elite defences that will key on him. He'll be bound to have more games like he did in Pittsburgh were he looked ordinary.
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  • Whos_Ur_DoggieWhos_Ur_Doggie Posts: 5,050
    edited November 29

    People get so defensive if your opinion isnt the same as theirs

    Sometimes giving one's opinion gets confused with being defensive. It's clearly a two way street and I see it on these forums all the time. The key is don't take someones opinion personally when you don't share the same opinion as theirs. Rather, take it for what it is, their opinion.
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  • HellAtlanticHellAtlantic Posts: 1,108
    WTCM said:

    Lamar is unquestionably the MVP this year. Does he warrant a top 12 ranking? Possibly for redraft next year. Not for dynasty rankings imo. As I have gone through the Michael Vick era and Malhomes too, repeating is damn hard to do. Being a top mid selection in the 2nd round isn't a knock on him, just owners playing is safe and letting him drop to them. You'll always have the one owner who picks a QB top 5. But as much credit as Lamar owners are giving him, they're also doubting elite defences that will key on him. He'll be bound to have more games like he did in Pittsburgh were he looked ordinary.

    Boom goes the dynamite. Agree 100%. That’s why i traded Lamar in my one dynasty league several week ago, back then I thought I was selling high but he’s kicked it up a notch since then and is playing lights out. That being said RBs are fantasy gold and are more scarce. I wasn’t in a position to win this year in that league anyway. It stings now that he’s playing at MVP level but next year when I make a major push having RB depth (what I got back in the deal) will likely be more needed than Lamar. NFL defenses adapt quickly from year to year. A year ago Mahomes was throwing 50 tds and Jared Goff looked great.
  • georgegeorge Posts: 501
    Lamar's been great this year, but Russell Wilson's consistancy will put him as my top ranked QB next year.
  • IcemanIceman Posts: 5,098
    WTCM said:

    Lamar is unquestionably the MVP this year. Does he warrant a top 12 ranking? Possibly for redraft next year. Not for dynasty rankings imo. As I have gone through the Michael Vick era and Malhomes too, repeating is damn hard to do. Being a top mid selection in the 2nd round isn't a knock on him, just owners playing is safe and letting him drop to them. You'll always have the one owner who picks a QB top 5. But as much credit as Lamar owners are giving him, they're also doubting elite defences that will key on him. He'll be bound to have more games like he did in Pittsburgh were he looked ordinary.

    IMO Crapman you are spot on....
  • Starting to have doubts about
    Zeke due to the Prescott / Garrett factor
    Kamara due to the Taysom Hill factor
    10 Team Dynasty - All TDs = 6 / PassingYd = .04 / Rushing-ReceivingYd = .10 / No-PPR / No Bonus
    - - - - - - - - - - - Starting requirements = QB - RB - RB/WR - WR - WR/TE - TE - DST - K
    QB - Wilson, J. Allen, Stafford, Minshew / RB - Saquon, Zeke, Kamara, D.Cook, Samuels, Mattison, Pollard, J.Hill
    WR - Hopkins, M.Thomas, AJG, Godwin, M.Williams, AJBrown, Chark / TE - OJ.Howard, M.Andrews. Dissly, Hockenson, Gesicki, J.Smith
    DST - Ravens, Vikings / K - Lutz
    12 Team Dynasty - TDs = 4-6 / PassingYd 25=1 / Rushing-ReceivingYd 10=1 / PPR / Bonus 3 at 300-100
    - - - - - - - - - - - Starting requirements = QB - 2RB - 3WR - 1TE - 1FlexRWT - DST - K
    QB - Cousins, Trubisky, Darnold / RB - DJ, Ingram, K.Johnson, A.Jones, Crowell, JamaalWilliams, M.Davis, D.Harris, R.Armstead, A.Barnes
    WR - Hopkins, K.Allen, DK.Metcalf, Boykin, Westbrook, Humphries, DavidMoore, Cole, Sharpe, Baldwin / TE - Gronk, Walker, Gesicki, Hurst, V.McDonald, Dissley
    DST - Steelers / K - Lutz
  • swampiesswampies Posts: 3,885

    WTCM said:

    Lamar is unquestionably the MVP this year. Does he warrant a top 12 ranking? Possibly for redraft next year. Not for dynasty rankings imo. As I have gone through the Michael Vick era and Malhomes too, repeating is damn hard to do. Being a top mid selection in the 2nd round isn't a knock on him, just owners playing is safe and letting him drop to them. You'll always have the one owner who picks a QB top 5. But as much credit as Lamar owners are giving him, they're also doubting elite defences that will key on him. He'll be bound to have more games like he did in Pittsburgh were he looked ordinary.

    Boom goes the dynamite. Agree 100%. That’s why i traded Lamar in my one dynasty league several week ago, back then I thought I was selling high but he’s kicked it up a notch since then and is playing lights out. That being said RBs are fantasy gold and are more scarce. I wasn’t in a position to win this year in that league anyway. It stings now that he’s playing at MVP level but next year when I make a major push having RB depth (what I got back in the deal) will likely be more needed than Lamar. NFL defenses adapt quickly from year to year. A year ago Mahomes was throwing 50 tds and Jared Goff looked great.
    That might happen against the 49’ers where he might look ordinary and make everyone come back to earth
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  • Hawk12Hawk12 Posts: 3,577
    Dante Culpepper was a top 1-3 QB every year till his knee exploded........

    Aaron Rodgers is/was a top 1-3 QB almost every year of his entire career - can't remember exact stats, but I believe he has been a top 3 QB all but two of his years playing

    Drew Brees is/was a top 3 QB for almost 15 years.... Every single year


    So yes indeed while it is tough to be the overall QB1 every year, it is possible if you land the correct QB (and health stays with him) you can have a top 3 QB for 10+ years and not need to address that position in that league you manage. I believe that D Watson is that guy, and will finish a top 5 QB for years, so I got him in 7 of 15 leagues a few years ago... Cost me plenty to go get him, yet I believe that I landed a 10 year QB that I won;t have to address that position and can build my team elsewhere in trades and drafts.....


    That said is D Watson a top 20 overall player, maybe. I do not believe many QBs hold that down, as RBs are tough to get the elite (and they don't hold elite long, at least not outside of about 2 a decade can last for 7-8+ years - LT, AP come to mind since the early 2000s. SO any given year a group of 3-8 RBS are RB1s for the next 3-6 years - WRs fill out much of the top 20, like 8-12 of them, a TE or two. On the low end that is 14 overall players before I'd even consider a QB, on the high end 18. That leaves spots 18-20 for maybe 1-2 QBs - and it is a guessing game, Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Rodgers - who's going to be consistent enough to be that guy? Good offense, good line, a really good WR1, a pass catching RB, all that situation plays in.

    Example, Mahomes was unstoppable last year, so what changed this year - really one key piece, Kareem Hunt left. Changed the entire abilty to not be able to cover Tyreek deep, Kelce intermediate routes, and Hunt in dump offs and wheels..... The three level attack was destroyed from within, and KC is not overpowering anymore.... That happened fast
  • HellAtlanticHellAtlantic Posts: 1,108
    I think Lamar’s closest comparisons would be like RG3, Cam. Probably moreso Cam. You have to look at what a guy can do passing - if you take away his ability to run (either through injury or game planning). Cam and Lamar do not have elite passing ability. A knee injury, ankle injury, toe injury, etc - these guys will look very normal. RG3 quickly became a bust when he couldn’t run anymore.
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