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Let me say this all again (Todd Gurley)

SmittySmitty Posts: 7,063
edited February 7 in Busts
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  • rabidbucfanrabidbucfan Posts: 3,216
    Lol one more time just in case
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  • Something is just not right with Gurley. With McVay coaching his 2 biggest games in his life (NFC championship and SB) he says that gameflow didn’t allow him to use Gurley as much? I just don’t buy it! Nor would McVay be negligent and just forget about his “best” running back. What scares me even more is that Gurley wasn’t even used as a decoy. The best players should not come off the field during the Super Bowl. Let alone split carries with a player like CJA’s caliber, that is not dynamic in 1 certain aspect of the game.
  • Have we seen a running back completely lose their touch mid season before? If I recall correctly running backs are usually “not the same” the following year, but never during season. So strange for a player to put up monster numbers all year and then just disappear when it mattered the most. Baffles me.
  • chuckeycharleschuckeycharles Posts: 5,113
    Well said @Smitty.

    Do you think that most of the push back is coming from dynasty owners who are losing sleep over their investment?

    I can see real anger coming from any who acquired Gurley recently 9r who are trying to unload him
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  • Hawk12Hawk12 Posts: 3,163



    Do you think that most of the push back is coming from dynasty owners who are losing sleep over their investment?

    I can see real anger coming from any who acquired Gurley recently 9r who are trying to unload him

    I'd say its much more of the majority of us that say him be the #1 RB last year, and this year through week 14......

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  • SmittySmitty Posts: 7,063
    edited February 7
    Anyone that owns him hates the call :) understandably
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  • LocalKineLocalKine Posts: 973
    LOL sure seems to be picking up as a narrative in the fantasy community. Knowing how such things grow in the off-season, he'll be so overrated by summer that he'll be underrated.
    10-team, non-PPR, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 FLEX, 1 TE.
    2019 keepers: QB Patrick Mahomes, RB Todd Gurley, RB Ezekiel Elliott, RB Dalvin Cook, RB Kerryon Johnson, WR Odell Beckham, WR Keenan Allen, WR Mike Evans, WR Courtland Sutton
  • LocalKine said:

    LOL sure seems to be picking up as a narrative in the fantasy community. Knowing how such things grow in the off-season, he'll be so overrated by summer that he'll be underrated.

    That's a good point. Hopefully, this issue will snowball into me being able to trade for him in that 10-12 range as you mentioned.

  • HellAtlanticHellAtlantic Posts: 593
    edited February 7
    But even if he was hurt during the playoffs what does that have to do with his performance for this upcoming season? It’s reasonable to assume if he was hurt he’d have a ton of time to recover. It’s one thing to have a hunch, and I’m buying in that hunch more and more, but it’s another thing to make a trade to offload him just based on that hunch. Maybe McVay overthought things and got too smart. who Knows. I’d think the prudent thing to do is probably wait and see his first couple of games this upcoming season - it’s better to hold on just a little longer than trade an elite RB too soon. He did have 21 tds this season, even if he drops off from that I can accept 10-12 tds. It’s not like the league is full of 3 down RBs.
  • This is like saying “Antonio Brown has had a string of monster seasons so I’m thinking next year he’s due to come back down to earth” and then you make a trade to get rid of him. You wouldn’t do that, I mean you could it just wouldn’t be the smartest thing in the world. The smart thing is give it a couple games and if he gets off to a slow start then you say “my hunch is looking right, let me move him before it really becomes obvious”.
  • SMFFCNSMFFCN Posts: 1,770
    edited February 7

    This is like saying “Antonio Brown has had a string of monster seasons so I’m thinking next year he’s due to come back down to earth” and then you make a trade to get rid of him. You wouldn’t do that, I mean you could it just wouldn’t be the smartest thing in the world. The smart thing is give it a couple games and if he gets off to a slow start then you say “my hunch is looking right, let me move him before it really becomes obvious”.

    Personally, I don't think Gurley is falling off the earth.

    That said, if one truly believes this is about to happen (or has a strong potential to), then now is the time to offload him while his value is still elite. If this really is an issue, it will only build over the off-season and if that carries into a stretch of bad games to start out the year his value will drop dramatically. If all plays out to what he thinks, you'll never get THEN what you can get NOW.
  • IcemanIceman Posts: 3,871

    This is like saying “Antonio Brown has had a string of monster seasons so I’m thinking next year he’s due to come back down to earth” and then you make a trade to get rid of him. You wouldn’t do that, I mean you could it just wouldn’t be the smartest thing in the world. The smart thing is give it a couple games and if he gets off to a slow start then you say “my hunch is looking right, let me move him before it really becomes obvious”.

    Brown isn't taking anywhere near the beating a bell cow RB takes.... the where and tear isn't there for WR's... remember Jamaal Lewis, Shaun Alexander.
  • Hawk12Hawk12 Posts: 3,163
    Iceman said:

    This is like saying “Antonio Brown has had a string of monster seasons so I’m thinking next year he’s due to come back down to earth” and then you make a trade to get rid of him. You wouldn’t do that, I mean you could it just wouldn’t be the smartest thing in the world. The smart thing is give it a couple games and if he gets off to a slow start then you say “my hunch is looking right, let me move him before it really becomes obvious”.

    Brown isn't taking anywhere near the beating a bell cow RB takes.... the where and tear isn't there for WR's... remember Jamaal Lewis, Shaun Alexander.
    Wear and tear.... Or are you guessing where the tear is?
  • WRs don’t lose a step? That’s news to me. They don’t lose separation ability? If they don’t Dez would’ve had a ton of offers when the Cowboys release led him.
  • KookaburraKookaburra Posts: 868
    WRs do lose a step. Speed decreases as they age, but in the truly elite, experience offsets the loss in speed. Route running skills and elusiveness improve.
  • chuckeycharleschuckeycharles Posts: 5,113
    Hmmmm all this furor over MFL's / Fantasy Shark's projections for Mahomes.

    MFL still likes Gurley projecting 2100+ total yards and 24 total TDs. They ain't paying attention to Smitty... LOL

    I am with Smitty... I think that Gurley has some big setback. Glad I don't own him.
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    WR - Hopkins, K.Allen, Baldwin, Parker, Hurns, Westbrook, Cole, R.Matthews / TE - Gronk, Walker, Gesicki, Hurst, V.McDonald
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  • But my point is if you compare Gurley’s setback numbers, say 1200 rushing yards and 12 td’s, isn’t that above average numbers compared to the typical RB? Some keep saying set back as if they mean “completely horrible letdown” year. I don’t know about you but I’d take 1200 yards and 12 tds. That’s not “Gurley” numbers but they’re good enough. Now I personally think he gonna finish with more than1200 yards and 12 tds, thats just what I’d consider his floor. He’s still young and he’s the highest paid RB, he’s gonna be a workhorse for sure.
  • But my point is if you compare Gurley’s setback numbers, say 1200 rushing yards and 12 td’s, isn’t that above average numbers compared to the typical RB? Some keep saying set back as if they mean “completely horrible letdown” year. I don’t know about you but I’d take 1200 yards and 12 tds. That’s not “Gurley” numbers but they’re good enough. Now I personally think he gonna finish with more than1200 yards and 12 tds, thats just what I’d consider his floor. He’s still young and he’s the highest paid RB, he’s gonna be a workhorse for sure.

    I don’t think anyone is completely eliminating him from their draft board. Most just aren’t taking him in the top 3-5, with the added risk. Id rather take a player with as much upside and less risk. Ex: Barkley, Zeke, Mccaffrey, Kamara etc.

    I’d take Gurley all day long at the back end of the 1st round at this point, which I highly doubt will be the case.
  • IpkissIpkiss Posts: 457

    But my point is if you compare Gurley’s setback numbers, say 1200 rushing yards and 12 td’s, isn’t that above average numbers compared to the typical RB? Some keep saying set back as if they mean “completely horrible letdown” year. I don’t know about you but I’d take 1200 yards and 12 tds. That’s not “Gurley” numbers but they’re good enough. Now I personally think he gonna finish with more than1200 yards and 12 tds, thats just what I’d consider his floor. He’s still young and he’s the highest paid RB, he’s gonna be a workhorse for sure.

    His 2016 year was 1200 total yards and 6 TDs. I think that's his floor which isn't amazing.
  • SmittySmitty Posts: 7,063
    If he stays healthy. I think that’s the issue, the red flags feel like breakdown which leads to injury...imo. High odds of it anyway.
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