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  • Wooters Posts: 51
    Wooters said:

    It's nice to have another IDP option, but is there any explanation as to what formula/criteria was used to get to these rankings?  Having a baseline as to what criteria was used in the construction of these rankings is imperative to know. I know different people have different opinions, but there are several things within these rankings that don't seem like they are based on anything other than a gut feeling or personal bias.


    I'm not going to list every player I disagree with but some particularly egregious ones are:

    Burfict @ #14- He's a top 5 LB'er and likely top 3.
    Bowman @ #3- Old, hurt and has Foster and Smith around.  No chance he sniffs top 5.
    Myles Jack #27- too low
    Lavonte David #6- too high
    Mark Barron- #28- too low
    Jatavis Brown #29- too low
    Benardrick McKinney #17- too low
    Preston Brown #16- too high

    I could go on for a long time.  

    TJ McDonald #19- the dude is out for the first 8 weeks.  It's impossible for him to crack the top 50.
    Vince Williams #59- This is supposed to the IDP SLEEPER site.  There isn't a BETTER SLEEPER this year than this guy.  He has top 15 upside and he is listed at #59??
    Jelani Jenkins #43- way too low
    Nigel Bradham #56- the guy was a top 25 LB'er last year

    Maybe I just take my IDP too seriously.  I don't feel like a lot of thought was put into these.  

    This is just constructive criticism, so don't take it personally.  If you're trying to get people to use your rankings over the bazillion online already, you really need to put the time in and go over and above.  

    Lastly, I particularly disagree with this statement:  "It would be a mistake to read these rankings linearly.  For example, LB2 value can be found in the early 30’s, LB3 value through the late 40s."

    WHAT?  The whole of rankings is to read it linearly.  To be able to say that if I play in a 10 team league, the #25 LB'er is an LB3 and if I play in a 16 team league the #25 LB'er is an LB2.

    Respectfully, 

    Wooters




  • SmittySmitty Posts: 4,709
    I'll let @tavaner handle this
    - Smitty
    SleeperU.com
  • Wooters Posts: 51
    *crickets*

    Guess he doesn't care.  Oh well.
  • cohendpt Posts: 1,397
    @wooters great info by you though thanks!

    $100 salary cap dynasty league. non PPR, non fraction scoring, All TDs 5 pnts. start 1qb, 2 rb, 2wr, 1te, 1 w/r/t, 1 k, 1 dl, 1 db, 1 lb (22 man roster, 2 practice squad spots, rookies from rookie draft don't count towards 22 man roster)

    qbs: aaron Rodgers $45.50

    rbs: $2.50 Ezekiel Elliot, $1.75 david Johnson, $2 joe mixon (R), $2 kareem hunt (R), $1 joe Williams (R)

    wrs: (R) $2.50 Corey Coleman, $5 mike evans, $1.25 tyler lockette, $2.50 josh doctson, $1.75 stefon diggs

    te: $1 O.J. Howard (R)

    k: $2.50 matt bryant

    LB: $1 myles jack

    DL: $1.75 Khalil Mack

    DB: $1.25Keanu neal


  • Wooters Posts: 51
    cohendpt said:

    @wooters great info by you though thanks!

    Thanks!  Maybe, I should take over the IDP portion of the league...
  • boobam13boobam13 Posts: 1,446
    Love the differences of opinions on guys - doesn't help if we all drink the same Kool-Aide
  • Whos_Ur_DoggieWhos_Ur_Doggie Posts: 2,659
    Wooters said:

    cohendpt said:

    @wooters great info by you though thanks!

    Thanks!  Maybe, I should take over the IDP portion of the league...
    Then we'd be reading your opinion on IDP rankings and you just might not like what we think, right?   :-@
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  • Wooters Posts: 51
    edited June 16
    @Boobam- We don't need to drink the same Kool-aid.  I was just asking for clarification on how he got to those rankings.  We don't need to agree.  Show me the rationale behind the rankings, in order for me to get on board with what he is throwing down.

    But here's the hard truth of the matter- there's a reason why he hasn't responded.  The answer?  He can't.  He can't because the rankings will not jive with any set of criteria other than his gut feeling.  He even put a disclaimer in there that says "It would be a mistake to read these rankings linearly."  I mean, are you kidding me?  That's total cover-your-ass lingo right there.  Basically he's just throwing down a bunch of names in a 'close enough' manner, and then he is telling us 'don't follow my rankings because they aren't in the correct order'.  That's just lazy.

    @ Doggie- First, strange thing to say coming from a moderator.  You should be more impartial.  Secondly, you can ignore me all you want, but I've been doing IDP for 24 years, and I know what I'm talking about.  But that's neither here or there with my contention with these "rankings".  I believe I made fair, legit points- and your friend or not- Tav should respond to them. 
  • boobam13boobam13 Posts: 1,446
    I'm glad we don't drink the same Kool Aide Wooters - need variety and different insight 
  • rabidbucfanrabidbucfan Posts: 1,862
    @Wooters thanks for the input.

    All rankings are subjective. I may or may not agree with the rankings of some players on ranking sheet "A" but that's not a problem since I make my own list based on my own criteria.
     If you compare the Sleeper U IDP rankings with most any other you will see some similarities and some disparities within those lists. One thing I would note is that none of the contributors are "just lazy" as you put it. 

    Sleeper U  DynastyTradeCalculator FantasyPros
    Burfict 14 20 14
    Bowman 3 7 17
    Jack 27 14 28
    David 6 4 12
    Barron 28 28 16
    J.Brown 29 70 25
    McKinney 17 45 10
    P. Brown 16 23 38
    Bradham 56       40       46
    J. Jenkins 43        46      60

    That's most of the list - not saying any of these are right or wrong just that they are ranked this way.
    "The only place success comes before work is the dictionary" ~Vince Lombardi
    Mod - Sleeper U
  • IcemanIceman Posts: 2,335
    Well said RBF, IMO most rankings need to have a certain amount of "Gut" to them. There is no formula that can be written that takes into account how you may feel about a players intangibles, situational anomalies or just that you think a guy will finally "get it" or "lose it". That comes from research and experience and is an important part of how we can pick/predict performance changes. Truly to me that is what separates the Wheat from the Chaff in FF and why some owners consistently do better than others.   
  • Whos_Ur_DoggieWhos_Ur_Doggie Posts: 2,659
    Wooters said:

    @Boobam- We don't need to drink the same Kool-aid.  I was just asking for clarification on how he got to those rankings.  We don't need to agree.  Show me the rationale behind the rankings, in order for me to get on board with what he is throwing down.


    But here's the hard truth of the matter- there's a reason why he hasn't responded.  The answer?  He can't.  He can't because the rankings will not jive with any set of criteria other than his gut feeling.  He even put a disclaimer in there that says "It would be a mistake to read these rankings linearly."  I mean, are you kidding me?  That's total cover-your-ass lingo right there.  Basically he's just throwing down a bunch of names in a 'close enough' manner, and then he is telling us 'don't follow my rankings because they aren't in the correct order'.  That's just lazy.

    @ Doggie- First, strange thing to say coming from a moderator.  You should be more impartial.  Secondly, you can ignore me all you want, but I've been doing IDP for 24 years, and I know what I'm talking about.  But that's neither here or there with my contention with these "rankings".  I believe I made fair, legit points- and your friend or not- Tav should respond to them. 
    I don't find my comment strange at all and it has nothing to do with me being a moderator.  Not sure why you are tying the two together.  In your OP, you are stating that the IDP rankings developed by Tav do not meet your liking and that you "don't feel like a lot of thought was put into these".  In my response to your post, I am merely advising you that the same could be said about your opinions/rankings.  Not sure I see the problem here other than you felt that it was ok to express your opinion and apparently I should be "censored" when expressing my opinion.
    SleeperU Forum Moderator
  • WTCMWTCM Posts: 6,876
    edited June 16
    Wooters said:

    cohendpt said:

    @wooters great info by you though thanks!

    Thanks!  Maybe, I should take over the IDP portion of the league...
    Nice to have you back "@wooters" after your absences. I'm not big on IDP, so glad now.
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  • Wooters Posts: 51
    WTCM said:

    Wooters said:

    cohendpt said:

    @wooters great info by you though thanks!

    Thanks!  Maybe, I should take over the IDP portion of the league...
    Nice to have you back "@wooters" after your absences. I'm not big on IDP, so glad now.
    Yeah, I'm and out of this site.  Too much 'fraternity' and too many cliques for me.  Not necessarily a bad thing, just not my thing, and your post proves my point exactly.  Thanks for that WTCM.
  • Wooters Posts: 51
    Iceman said:

    There is no formula that can be written that takes into account how you may feel about a players intangibles, situational anomalies or just that you think a guy will finally "get it" or "lose it". That comes from research and experience and is an important part of how we can pick/predict performance changes. 

    Not sure I agree with most of this.  Eg., would these rankings be the same if sacks were 10 pts each and solo tackles 0.5 pts each?  Extreme, but it proves the point that the criteria used to gather such rankings matters.  That's all I've ever asked for and the dude can't come in here and answer some pretty basic questions?  Come on now.  Is that too much to ask?  
  • Wooters Posts: 51

    @Wooters thanks for the input.


    All rankings are subjective. I may or may not agree with the rankings of some players on ranking sheet "A" but that's not a problem since I make my own list based on my own criteria.
     If you compare the Sleeper U IDP rankings with most any other you will see some similarities and some disparities within those lists. One thing I would note is that none of the contributors are "just lazy" as you put it. 

    Sleeper U  DynastyTradeCalculator FantasyPros
    Burfict 14 20 14
    Bowman 3 7 17
    Jack 27 14 28
    David 6 4 12
    Barron 28 28 16
    J.Brown 29 70 25
    McKinney 17 45 10
    P. Brown 16 23 38
    Bradham 56       40       46
    J. Jenkins 43        46      60

    That's most of the list - not saying any of these are right or wrong just that they are ranked this way.
    Rankings are subjective to a point.  The issue is that we have history to go by and therefore can't be solely subjective.  Eg, take Lavonte David's ranking.  He was the #34 overall LB'er last year (ppg) strictly due to Kwon Alexanders arrival.  It goes against common sense that David can be a top 6 LB'er, especially when these "experts" have Kwon Alexander as the #1 overall LB'er.  It's impossible.  And if they are really going to try to do accurate rankings, they would acknowledge that the Tampa offense should be drastically improved, which is going to lead to winning more games and having a lead more often.  That leads to many more PASSES by the opponent and therefore fewer tackle opportunities.

    And Jatavis Brown ranked at #70?  Like, come on.  The only way that happens is if he has an injury, and don't tell me that we are trying to predict injuries when the same people predict Bowman to be ranked #7.  

    Predicting IDP (especially for LB'ers) based on history, opportunity (see Vince Williams in 2017), and defensive alignment,  is the most accurate prediction tool within fantasy football.  It's almost like clockwork.  I always wonder if bots do rankings for some sites because a lot of them are so terrible.
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